Dragons, Dynasties & Trash TV Friday

One Last Word on Pediatric Gender Medicine

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1:01 Once again doing the show in front of a giant studio audience and alongside for the Friday edition, it's Sarah and the professor. And it's Trash TV Friday, along with reviews of the seizing and ending House of the Dragon episode. And we'll sort of, I don't know, opine as to why we don't like that as much as Game of Thrones. Right. Yeah. I mean, we've decided that we don't like it as much. And I think a lot of... I'm going to continue to watch it because I do enjoy it, but not as much as Game of Thrones.

1:53 Yeah. Well, we'll get to that and why we don't like it as much, but we do like it. Oh, yeah. We do like it. But what we wanted to do before we get into the reviews and the trash TV Friday was maybe wrap this. transgender surgery for minors thing up a little bit, as if it wasn't wrapped up enough. I mean, we really did explore it, I thought, from a lot of different angles. I don't know. I think we sort of came to the conclusion that this is something none of us would want for a minor really under any circumstances.

2:34 Is that fair to say? Yeah. Fair to say for you, Sarah. Most definitely. Professor? I concur, yes. Short and sweet, sort of like it was before. A couple of points I wanted to just make sure I made clear. It seems to me like this approach to a psychological issue, this physical approach to a psychological issue, the thing where we are, you know, we're fixing people's physical body and even the folks that are closest to this are saying this is a you know body dysphoria issue a psychological issue and what bothers me about this is it seems like even 25 years from now maybe maybe 10 years from now that maybe we'll be saying This is sort of like bloodletting, sort of like leech therapy.

3:49 It seems that radical to me. And I just wanted to make clear that I think that where are the psychiatrists? I'm not even talking about psychologists. I'm gonna let them go. I'm talking about the medical doctors who have the ability to prescribe medication. who have the ability to hospitalize, who are medical doctors, but do specialize in psychological phenomena and illness. Why are we not having them fix this issue? Why does that seem to be such an ineffective area of medicine? Anybody with a similar feeling?

4:36 I feel that we are approaching this wrong. It seems like changing someone's body to match their mindset is the most radical thing that could happen. It seems like we're buying a whole new set of, we're putting a whole new engine in a car when all we need is a tune up. That's way too blunt, but This is my feeling. Any comment? I'm afraid, and I hate to be that cynical about it, but I think that there's a lot of that. You know, we're talking about a lifetime of medication. It isn't just, you know, puberty blockers for a little while.

5:32 It isn't just hormone therapy for a little while. It's a lifelong commitment and these drugs are not inexpensive. I know for my child, that's a no way. No way, not while you are under my roof and under my care, just it's a no way. You can see how you feel about this when you're older.

6:06 I'm sure that that's going to be reaction to these comments and that is not how I mean to be at all. I think that children are just too immature. It's a redundant statement. They just don't understand the ramifications of these sorts of decisions. And we see it again and again when they say, listen, I was sort of led down the Primrose path when I was 15 years old, 14 years old, and now I can't have children. Now I can't function as I would like to function. I don't feel this way anymore. And this is why we don't let kids enter into contact or contracts.

6:55 We don't let them drink. We don't let them drive. We don't let them, but yet we'll let them change profoundly who they are, which is not really true either. I mean, they still are XY, not XX, or vice versa. And really, in a way, we lie to them. And professional people are lying to them that You know, this is going to make all the difference in your life. I'm not going to say that it doesn't for some, but for others it doesn't at all and it leads to larger problems that they didn't have before they got involved.

7:41 Comments, folks? And let a couple of leeches suck on me. And presto, I'm back now in full masculinity, no problem. To the crick, huh? I'm sorry, that's what I got out of it. Oh, man. Leeches, huh? That's all it took. It's amazing. Well, I think... I think you're probably better let some people know about that because they're going to a lot more trouble than that. I guess I'm just, I'm really serious about the idea that I think it's not going to be very far from now. when they say, this was barbaric, this was, they just didn't understand very well.

8:53 And they changed, you know, this was the approach they used to this problem. I think that's how it's going to go down in history. I also don't think that parents have the wherewithal to say no, because an example is there was baby that was being circumcised. That was the diagnosis, the procedure on a claim. The sex of the child, even though it was being circumcised, was a U for undetermined. And that was a U on the birth certificate? A U, yes. In this state? Or I guess we should talk about what state where it is exactly, but in a state that sort of forbade that?

9:43 Yes. you and so the question was what sex do I actually put on this because it's a you even though the baby is being circumcised that's what the parents wanted was a you because it's undetermined you know something we didn't think parents have you know something we didn't explore really very much was Should children be able to sue their parents later for this sort of decision that they've made for them? Shouldn't they have some sort of recourse? That's assuming that the parents later could... That's assuming that they would be able to see through all the deceptions and the gaslighting and the lies from the left and the parents in most cases are too busy, too distracted.

10:38 and maybe even not sophisticated enough to see through the lies and foolishness of these people who are promoting this wickedness. That's one of the things that they say, is that they were told that their child would commit suicide unless, you know, this transformation was complete, and that they would, if they didn't allow it, that they could expect that their child would likely commit suicide. And that was a lie. There was no peer reviewed studies and there were no generalizable studies. They were just anecdotal among very small sample sizes, and they were done by the advocates themselves to hold this up.

11:24 I heard that in government hearings several times where they would come out and say, well, research has shown that there is a higher propensity for suicide if we don't go through with this. And at that point, a lot of legislators hearts just melded. Oh, we can't have this. Right. And so, you know, that was effective. was a lie but let's go back we've got to go back because you were just saying it's a mental health issue why are they not addressing that as far as the suicide issue versus oh hormone therapies and all that let's go back to the mental side of it work it from that side before we take to the far side Again, I'm going to ask the question, and I think this is blunt.

12:16 It's not sharp at all. What does psychiatry do for people? I'm sure that there, you know, we can point to this little thing or this, but when we're faced with a serious mental issue, what is it doing? And instead of relying on this, lifetime of medicine in a transformation that can't be undone later, in many circumstances. Psychiatry befuddles and confuses. I think so. I just wanted to make a few points before we move on to something that is completely different. and much more fun. That's the plan.

13:06 It's always the plan for Friday, but I just thought we'd just tie a bow on this and when we come back, we'll talk about House of the Dragon. At the intersection of policy, politics and culture, you're on Symbatical with Doc G and the Discussants. Let's step aside for a few brief messages. You bought the stuff, you wanted the stuff, and now you have absolutely nowhere to put the stuff. That's where Green Lawn Storage comes in. Clean units, easy access, plenty of room for furniture, tools, boxes, and everything else you swear you're going to use again someday.

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House of the Dragon: The Season 3 Finale

17:26 Doc G. Actually turns out this is the place for you. Yet another emotional support animal promo that probably needs to get trashed. All that work. Anyway, it's one of our favorite days of the week where we just sort of have fun around here and talk about movies and music and trash TV. Our aim next week is to talk about the Rolling Stones new album. So if you're a Stones fan, we want you to join us, email us in the meantime if there's something in particular you'd like us to... Address because of course we're the foremost Rolling Stones experts around here self -proclaimed and I Don't know worked hard for that So what's going on house of the dragon?

18:27 Yeah? Yeah the season finale and Yeah episodes and how many years have we waited now? So there's been three seasons. This was the season three episode or the wrap up, the finale. Let me see. So we saw the first season. Now, is it you thinking maybe I wish I had to look that up? I'm thinking eight years ago. I don't know. Something like that. I it's amazing. And then we waited what a good four, maybe four years for this season. Did we not? It seemed like we would be talking about, when is this dragon thing coming back?

19:11 When is this dragon thing coming back? And it doesn't, and it doesn't, and it doesn't. And finally it does. And they serve up eight whole episodes. Right. Yeah. Now, what I understand is the next season will be the final one. Right. They can work that up. But until then, what do we think? Seems like Renira... Finally went round the bend now. She was the She was the heir King Viserys actually named her heir in a ceremony, but that touched off all sorts of claims to the throne over all these seasons because She's a girl A lot of houses in the Seven Kingdoms didn't want to accept a girl for a ruler.

20:07 So she went through lots of trials and tribulations, and finally, after some skullduggery and wars, she sort of has now ascended the throne and is in control of King's Landing. She seems like she's maybe starting to succumb to the same sort of mental problems that her dad had. What do you think, Sarah? Yeah, I know they made a point of having the scene where she was holding court and she cut herself on the throne, which is a common problem. with that throne but yeah it's only made out of what about 10 ,000 swords but they did make a point of making sure a person saw that right and that you know kind of led up to her okay so demise i think she would have i think she would have gone that way anyway she was already showing signs in my opinion of all the Madness creeping in before that happened.

21:20 But at the end you could definitely tell When she gave her speech, especially when she said she was the prince that had been prophesied It's like yeah, you're past the point. Yeah, and Well, and she had the high septum, which is like killing the Pope. Yeah. Yeah, she had him eliminated because he refused to anoint her as the chosen leader She asked him one time previously, they marched downtown to get it done again while the war was going on. He refused her, and that was the end of it. So, where are we at now?

22:05 She's taken King's Landing, alliances have fractured, and the conflict has spread well beyond the original succession dispute. and the next season again is planned as the final season. So did season three finally deliver on that first two seasons, the first two we're building toward? I don't know. I can't, I don't know. You know, I just don't have a personal investment. in the characters like I did with Game of Thrones. I don't feel like they're fleshed out as much or that I know them as well. There are some characters that I think I probably should not like that I do.

22:57 Well, that was sort of the thing in Game of Thrones as well. It is, yeah. But I don't know, I just don't feel as invested in it. as I did Game of Thrones. And I don't know what it is. I don't know what the difference is. There's just a different feeling that I don't get. It's missing from this. So if you had to name a best character, a character that you do like, that maybe is your favorite character, who's your favorite character? You're going to hate this one. Damon. I don't hate that. I think he's had as much...

23:38 But I should not like him. Right, well I don't think he's really a very likeable guy. No, but I do. But you know he's consistent. You know what he's going to do? He's going to deal with enemies and they're not going to be dealt with... You know with kit gloves right kids will literally roll And you know he's sort of black and white it's right or wrong and or and there's a lot of wrong You're right my next one which I did not like all the way through, but I loved this scene There's a couple of scenes that he had again When he You know, he's all burned up and he decides he's gonna He's a piece of shit.

24:26 He says he's a piece of shit Yeah, and he's uh so this is the king that The other side wanted the higher tires wanted this Agon to ascend the throne who? really The king's former hand arranged that marriage between the hand's daughter and the king had some boys that caused the problem with Raniera because there were now male heirs and that since his birth there's been a problem and They arranged it so he actually did ascend the throne and he and his brother then started you know sort of feuding because his younger brother didn't see him as worthy of the throne and so he actually tried to kill his older brother Aegon by burning him with a dragon in a battle and so now they thought that they thought he had He had been killed.

25:41 They thought his dragon had been killed in the same battle. Declared dead. Declared dead by Ranira, who is now the queen. And basically for all intents and purposes was dead. Was dead. He sort of scratched and clawed his way back to health. Took a... He went running from the castle, basically, because... His brother was trying to kill him. Renear was trying to kill him. Several armies were out there looking for him, trying to kill him. So he's, you know, been laying low with a couple of people who are loyal, but basically loyal, because they think in the end they'll get paid for their loyalty.

26:27 And runs across his dragon, the dead dragon in a field, finds that the dragon hasn't died, and so he's back, full force. burned and he was really a degenerate character before but has started to realize just how rotten he was himself. He's ashamed of himself and in an instant his dragon comes back. He has turned and he has decided no more of this craven existence that I've been living. He goes to face his younger brother who's A much better warrior has a much larger dragon, rides the largest dragon in the world, and his idea is that he's going to kill him, but his brother's had a change of heart in the meantime, too.

27:20 He understands what an idiot he's been. Well, he's a usurper to the throne. He's tried to kill his brother. No one really likes that. He's had some time to think. So he just kneels in front of him and says, you'd be right to kill me. So then the, you know, the favorite scene, he's slap scene. And what is it? He said, I'm alive. Yeah. Yeah. So they, so in season four and the upcoming season, they are definitely going to, well, they're going to join forces there. They, they have the. the king, Aegon, has said that he'll forgive his brother or he'll think about forgiving his brother if he helps him get to King's Landing, take King's Landing, put Rhaenyra's head on a spike.

28:12 And so we've got, you know, the war has started anew among all all of them and I don't know who I'm rooting for. I think If I have to pick a favorite character, it is at this point Raniera. I think she's had a real tough time and she's had to be really tough and she's tried several different ways to make this come about and now she's decided. on top of probably being sick with tetanus or whatever it is. I don't know what the king had. He basically was falling apart. Her father, the old king had, basically was falling apart by the end of it.

28:49 And so I think she now has the same disease. He got his disease from the throne by being, you know, cut by it so many times. Well, let us know what you think of Game of Thrones. We don't care for it. I'm waiting for the Night of the Seven Kingdoms to come back. Yeah, and we'll have quite a bit to say about that. That we found on a book. on a vacation and was hoping that maybe someone would make a movie or adapt it for the screen and it has been. They had a season last season and it was very good, very close to the book and so we're looking forward to that coming back.

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Why Game of Thrones Was Better + Trash TV Fri

33:41 The Doctor is in. We're back and we welcome you back. Before we get into Trash TV Friday, I wanted to... I don't know, put a bow on this Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon thing. You know, the House of Dragon is very good, Sarah, but Game of Thrones felt bigger to me. And, you know, as you said, the characters, I really felt like I knew them. I knew what they would do. I knew what they were thinking. I knew what they were... Even those that were extremely unpredictable. There was... Something that I liked about almost every one of them.

34:23 They're very complex characters. Just not the case in Game of Thrones. You know, we moved among the Starks, the Lannisters, the Baratheons, the Greyjoys, the Tyrells, the Night's Watch, the Wildlings, Daenerys. You know, House of the Dragon is deliberately tighter. One dynasty and just sort of one civil war and fewer independent worlds. And I think... that's what it is for me. I think that's why I preferred Game of Thrones better. We were talking about it not very long ago. Characters we just hated, but respected.

35:04 Cersei, Lannister. I just hate her, nothing redeeming about her whatsoever, but better respect her. The same thing with her brother. I liked him a lot better. Her brother and her lover, Jamie Lannister, who was a great knight, a legendary knight. And then the little brother. My favorite character. Yeah, I'm not sure he was the little in terms of birth order. He was just little. He was a dwarf. And Peter Dinklage did a fantastic job with that. He had a lot of work after that for, you know, several motion pictures.

35:50 Not seeing him quite as much anymore, but he was really one of my favorite characters in Game of Thrones. But I think it was just bigger and more to relate to and, you know, hard to, and what have we seen it probably end to end like. five times or more. Probably. It's one of those you can definitely re -watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's move on then. Uh -oh. Well, what are we moving on to? Well, what do you think? It's Trash TV Friday. Can't you tell by the majestic music? The sores above everything.

36:32 Just the... majesty of trash TV. We should start with Bailyn. We're starting with Bailyn today? That sounds good, that sounds good. Bailyn Out Loud, for some reason I had it in my head that last week was going to be the wedding, but it was just the pre -wedding.

36:57 Yeah, why would you have just one episode for the wedding when you could probably milk four or five episodes out of it? Sort of like we do here on occasion, you know, it's like one episode kind of goes into another one. I won't say we've milked it. We're not milking it. There's just a lot of subject matter to talk about. Colin got his horse. Colin got his horse. So explain that. He got his horse. Explain what... This whole time throughout... what he wanted for the wedding. He wanted to ride in on a white horse.

37:30 I don't really know why. Is this like a Prince Charming thing he's got going on? I don't know. But he had given up on the hopes of having a white horse so that Balen could have another dress that she wanted. because she fell in love with multiple dresses and they just couldn't afford to have all of them. Which earned Collin great points with Balen's dad. Oh my, yes it did. He was... There's been kind of a, you know, good relationship, but at times, you know, it's certainly the father -in -law relationship.

38:16 Right. I mean, I understand to a... to a degree because he has gone through a lot with failing and he's seen her at her lowest. I don't know that Colin is necessarily aware of how bad it really, really was. And that's where he does a great job with her. He really does. She relies on him a lot. The parents have a really hard time. Letting go and thinking that somebody else can take care of her as is what I think the point of fact is You know Bailing can't really be on her own. No, I mean if she just can't she's doing all she can but her ticks her From her Tourette's right makes her body do unpredictable things so she can be let's say chopping lettuce in the kitchen.

39:19 That's hard to watch for us because you never know when the knife just might go flying or she might, you just don't know what she might do with it. So, you know, she has to be closely monitored and watched. And this is the first time in her life she's not been completely, totally covered by somebody all the time. They have described a time when she went to college that, you know, between the depression of not being able to do the kinds of things that other people do, having trouble with the schoolwork, you know, keeping up.

40:02 That you know, she was suicidal and they've said so and so this is the low point that they Describe or her father describes her mother describes that they know that Colin has not seen yet but he is very patient with her and that's You know you that's difficult because in public Bailin can say the worst things you can imagine. And they're usually sexual, you know, and just will stop people in their tracks. And so, you know, being around Bailin is, you know, not an easy thing. He does really well.

40:53 I think he does. When she threw away her medication, not too long ago in a previous episode, she had thrown away her medicine and so she doesn't, she cannot go without her medication and they really did not until that point have a plan of what to do, how to take care of the situation and then they were leaving town and so the parents had a real real issue with. with that, and they fixed it though. They got it taken care of. She did have to go without her medication for a day or two, but they did rectify the situation, and now they have a plan going forward.

41:44 It's unfortunate they had to go through that to learn that, but now it's learned, I don't think it will happen again. We like Balen a lot. We like to watch. She's a very young person. She's what 21 or she 20 23 23 Yeah, and I think Colin maybe also 23. They're very close in age and so, you know there it's it's fun to watch we recommend, you know checking it out because it will learned a lot about that condition and She's a good kid, her folks are good people, and you know, this guy that she's chosen is a good guy too, and it's enjoyable.

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Below Deck Mediterranean with Captain Sandy

45:59 Remember, the program doesn't end when the microphones go off. Visit docg and thediscussants .com. Comment on the show, suggest a subject, visit the shop, support the program, or leave something for Doc in the gripe box. Now, back to Doc G and the Discussants on sabbatical. OK, so another favorite of ours. By the way, you're listening to Doc G and the Discussants as Lizzie just let us all know. Below Deck Mediterranean. We started watching Below Deck during the pandemic. Mainly for the scenery. It's just so pretty.

46:36 That's what hooked me. I sort of told Sarah, this is really sort of hypnotic because you're looking for something to watch during the pandemic because everybody was in such a foul mood all the time. And here's this blue water and the fish and they're scuba diving and everybody's having fun aboard this yacht and they're on the beaches and they're in exotic locale enjoying in night clubs and this sort of thing. The colors are just brilliant. This is an Andy Cohen show, if you're familiar with Andy, basically a Desperate Housewives fame, right?

47:20 Real Housewives. Real Housewives. I'm sorry. You're right. Real Housewives. And so it's colorful. And of course, they throw in as much drama as possible. Now, we started with Captain... Gosh, we haven't seen him in a long time. The white beard captain. I'll think of it in a minute. Anyway, this is Captain Sandy at this point, but we've been through several captains. They stage a show in different parts of the world. It's below deck down under. Right now it's below deck Mediterranean, below deck sailing yacht.

47:57 It started with below deck with, I almost said captain stubing. He's the captain of the love boat, for God's sake. Anyway, so we're in season, it's been on quite a while now, season 11 with Captain Sandy aboard. She's with some of, one of my favorite stews, Aisha, who's, she's just bubbly. She's hilarious. Hilarious beyond, you know, she's just. She started out on the deck crew. Yeah. Yeah. And now she's Chief Stu, so she runs the interior. She runs all the stewardesses in the interior and the service, the meals, those sorts of things.

48:44 Who else is involved in here? So we have Nathan. Yes, Nathan Gallagher, who's the bossin. He has since had a little boy with a previous stewardess, Joe Bradley. And let me see, that was basically through the last episode. So where does it now stand? Where are we at with it? Luke is coming back. No, Luke left and Max is coming back. Max is French. Yes. And he is... He's quite a character. Yeah, he's quite a character. He's strange. Very strange. Just really strange. Just does random weird things.

49:36 We're looking forward to his arrival because we need a new deck hand. Because they're low. Nathan got hurt. He hurt his back, so he had to leave. Left because of all of the situation that he had with his Love triangle. Yeah, and then his remnants of his love The remnants of his love that so they had yeah, he had a girl down to his boss's bed who is Nathan and You know, there were remnants of the encounter left in the boss's bed the boss found out about it did not after people laughed yeah after people laughed about it for what two two weeks or so it was there for about a week yeah didn't didn't change the sheets didn't yeah i didn't change oh my gosh yeah i had to kill him which is what nathan wanted to do yeah so anyway the bosen who is nathan his boss brings it to the attention of captain sandy And, heck, that could be more embarrassing than having your female boss have to counsel you on proper etiquette and hygiene about...

50:59 Anyway, it was... So he left. Basically left, but he was on the verge of being fired over this and a couple other things. So this is, again, paved the way for this... new French deckhand who we've seen, Max, who we've seen in other episodes who is quite a character. And Joe had to take over being Bozen since Nathan got hurt, which he's been chomping at the bit to do. Well, he's not just chomping at the bit to do it. He's been undermining him at every turn. Right? I mean, trying to undermine. He's...

51:37 It's backhanded, left -handed compliments. It's... You know, it's bringing to the attention of other folks that this isn't being done. That isn't being done. In particular, he's bringing it to the attention of the captain that maybe things aren't being done. So he's laid the groundwork for this. And so he's been elevated to. The Boson position while temporarily temporarily while Nathan is. trying to get better from his back. Right, right, right. And he's got some family issues, too, Nathan does.

52:13 And so he was late. Yes. Nathan. Yes. The you know, the original Boson person. And that steamed Captain Sandy because she made special dispensation for him to be able to come and go for his family and beyond. And so that. was one of the things that she sort of stipulated, there'll be no lateness, you know, it won't hurt the job, well there was. And so there's that. And let me see, what else is going on with that particular thing? Do you think Captain Sandy is the reason that this version of Below Deck works?

52:52 Or Nathan or Joe, who actually is behaving like a leader here? Does Aisha remain the best chief stew in the franchise? Who would we hire tomorrow and who would we never get back on our boat? The thing with Asia is that she is. Always in a good mood. I don't know that I've ever seen her. Get. Really angry she's a very happy. Yeah, she just she's always in a good mood. She's always happy She's always working and she's funny. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's extremely funny, but Here's why I think she has some talent in this area, too She can kiss some butt She really kisses some butt and especially Captain Sandy's but every time she gets a chance.

53:48 So she's good. She does her job well. I mean, I mean, that's it. But there's not near the pressure on her that there are on other people because her and Sandy have a friendship. They have a friendship. And part of the reason why they have that friendship is because of that lipstick on Captain Stanley's. Have you seen Asia's commercial? The one with the with the dishwasher. Yes. Yeah, it's hilarious. It's hilarious because it's like she's so over the top with the stuff that she does, but that commercial is that way.

54:23 But that's how she is. I mean, she cannot. Yeah, she's so funny. You just yeah, I've always liked her. You know, I don't know where the time goes for trash TV Friday. I never know. It just it seems like it comes and it's over with. way quicker than it should. So we're not going to apologize for this. That isn't going to happen. Trash TV Friday is not an apology. We watched it. We enjoyed it. And that's sufficient evidence for the prosecution here today. I don't know whether it was for the professor or not.

55:01 We've heard more from Orville during these portions of the program. I'll let her have the floor. By the way, regarding trash TV, my girlfriend calls it garbage TV, but they're kind of one and the same. I'm not sure. Maybe garbage is a subtitle under trash. Seems like garbage might smell more. I'm not sure. But speaking of those type of television programs, if anyone's interested, if you like thugs and hoodlums and gangsters and violence, like I do, there's a... And Orgel does. There's a new season of Mobland and it starts September 18th on Paramount.

55:39 So keep that in mind. Mobland! Yeah. That's something we'll be talking about. We have saw. Now this is the second season of Mobland, right? Now that's my kind of garbage TV. It is garbage TV. I will agree with that. So this is the second season, is it not? That's correct. You are correct. We sort of... Quit on it at the end because it got so it got so I don't know out of hand So we sort of quit when they Well, we're back on board with you man, we're back. All right, but Yeah Who was it who went to prison?

56:24 I can't remember who it was Oh, yeah, Pierce Brosnan. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and he was he was the big boss and I didn't really believe him in that for quite a while. All the cons gave him a big round of applause. Yeah, yeah. And you know, I finally sort of felt him as the big boss. It took me a while. I'm wondering, how does he get out of prison? How's he going to get out to do the new series? I bet he doesn't. I bet he calls the shots from inside, but we'll see. Well, in the trailers or previews, he appears to be out in the world.

57:04 Okay. All right. Well, we're back with it. Tom's with it. We're with it. Why not? Incredibly, that brings us to the end of another show. I hope you noticed that I did not say at the end of the day. That's because we do have a few rules around here. Thank you for spending your time with Doc G and the Discussance on Subbapical. Before you go, visit thediscussance .com. Leave us a suggestion for a future show. support the program, or have a look through our high quality and quite lovely merchandise.

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