The Cold Civil War—Is It Getting Hot?

From Political Enemies to Political Violence

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0:56 Welcome into the Monday edition, Doc G and the Discussants. Gosh, it's good to have you along, especially early in the week. There's nothing that sucks worse than a Monday. Alongside is Sarah and the professor and I call it mundane It's it's mundane that is just about perfect except. I think I hate it a little more than that It's a that's a little too beige for me. I That's true. That's true. I just sort of hate Monday, but no one in our listening audience should because they have us That's absolutely right on point Somehow I thought you'd see it my way.

1:43 I want to remind everybody to go to the website and get to be familiar with the discussants and all the stuff that we had there. One thing in particular I want to mention because we're going to start cracking open the old gripe box before too long and I want to make sure you get your chance to gripe. So the website now fully supports your griping. And so it's Doc's gripe box. We'll be throwing it on Fridays when it's... Somebody please proffer a death threat to me, please. Somebody out there threaten my life, please.

2:20 Haven't had one lately, huh? Haven't had one in a while. I've only had a total of three since I've been on the air, I mean, in my life, and that's embarrassing. I'd like a few more death threats, please. As usual, a perfect segue into today's subject matter. The core thesis of which is political philosophy matters when it teaches people how to identify enemies, or so it was seen from class conflict to the modern oppressor oppressed framework has a strain of the American left politics made it easier to move from defeating an opponent to morally delegitimizing one.

3:02 and at the extreme to excusing violence against that person. And what's the basis here? Why? Well, our good friend Luigi Mangione has admitted stalking and killing United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson. This piece of excrement yeah thanks thanks almost almost stepped over mine yeah yeah yeah so I walked walked right up behind mr. Thompson shot him in the back of the head like basically he was a rat beyond the pale and that's just not strong enough. Then Charlie Kirk was assassinated much in the same way by some little coward from about a half a mile away with a high powered rifle when all he was doing was trading ideas with people at a college rally.

4:08 Donald Trump was targeted at least twice. It looked like just recently somebody else on the grounds of his property with guns and, you know, a plan. to kill the president yet again, I say twice, I'm thinking at least four times that I can think of. And then this - Three times were overt and like the gun was on the scene and then there were at least two if not three when the guns were on the way but they were intercepted and didn't quite make it to the assassination, the planned assassination site.

4:41 Right. So you're correct. Are we talking, are you including the correspondence dinner in that? Yes, okay. That's where I was getting for at which was Incredible as well. So and then Charlie Kirk and and then maybe the worst case in Boulder, Colorado where Jewish people were walking to support the abduction of Israelis and They were attacked with Molotov cocktails by a person who completely meant to do so, planned for a long time to do so, and made statements afterward saying that he would do it again and that he was happy to have done what he did.

5:35 So, as we start this, I wanted to sort of trace this back. If we go back to 2011, We can sort of trace back this oppressor oppressed line to Occupy Wall Street. Remember the good old days of Occupy Wall Street? I did a little research and went back for a while. And it was surprisingly restrained compared to what we see today. Those crowds were actually carrying American flags. But it was the first time, in my experience, where we saw people who were actually advocating for Marxist ideas, where it was the 99 % against the 1%, this jealousy, propaganda, outrage politics that they like.

6:28 Let's just stop in to check, just refresh your memory. 2012 opens with one of Occupy's most violent encounters. New arrests top 400 in Oakland. On March 17th, protesters stream back into Zuccotti Park, celebrating the six -month anniversary of the Occupy movement. After night falls, however, police declare the park closed. You want to get arrested, asks Bloomberg. We'll accommodate you. March 24th, Occupy participants march to Union Square, declaring, let freedom spring. Seven months of protests.

7:03 Millions of tweets. 7 ,000 arrests. More than 100 U .S. cities. Occupy Wall Street. Yeah, that was a lot of fun, the Occupy Wall Street movement. And then this sort of morphed... After a year or two into the Black Lives Matter movement, which was also a whole lot of fun, if you remember, American monuments were pulled over with ropes. Things were set on fire. And the whole thing was sort of characterized as. peaceful protest, if I remember correctly. B -L -M, does that stand for burn, loot, and murder?

7:44 I can't remember. I think it would characterize what went on, but I thought we'd go down a little memory lane jaw there as well. What you're looking at live now there. In within view of the White House is a totally different story tonight as the looming 11 p .m. Curfew is Coming Kevin let's check in and see what your take is on whether that's actually gonna happen tonight Well, you're unfortunately Shannon seeing a terrible scene fires burning here along H Street. We do smell oh Boy, oh boy, we're getting tear gassed And unfortunately I can add just a moment ago.

8:27 It does appear that Saint John's Church is on fire. The parish office we went downstairs and it is on fire. The people know that is an historic church that's just across Lafayette Park from the White House. Numerous presents, dozens of presidents have sat in those pews. They have gone there in times of national trouble. They've gone there for regular Sunday services. For generations and generations, presidents and their families have walked across Lafayette Park and gone and sat in the pews of St. John's.

8:58 It's somewhere usually on Inauguration Day. You'll see them go there and have a prayer service. So that's just a little recap of what happened there. Of course, there was a lot of protests nationwide, a lot of destruction, a lot of defacing of property, defacing of monuments, pulling them down. The sort of stuff that we used to see only in third world countries where people erase their own histories. They're that stupid. That's what it struck me as at the time. It still plays that way. all these years later.

9:34 And what was the theme there? It was oppressed minorities being oppressed by the majority and critical theory became front and center there where you're always going to be oppressed. There's no way you move away from that and oppressors will always oppress. And that works perfectly with Marxist theory. They had a lot of tough time. talking people in this country into Marxist theory on an economic basis, but they found fertile ground when it came to race. And a little while later, we went to the chop.

10:12 Anybody remember that? When they decided to set up their own country within the United States of America, and it was tolerated. Let's take a little, uh, stroll down Bentley Lane there, bonding to a shooting overnight in the occupied zone. The country known as Chop, formerly known as Chaz. This comes as the city's police union. Get this is expelled from the area's Labor Council, citing a failure to quote, dismantle racism in their institution and society at large. President of the Seattle Police Officers Guild.

10:51 Mike Solon joins us now. with the latest. Mike, lots to chew on here. Well, let's start with what we know now about what happened inside CHOP. We're getting reports coming in of an incident there. What do you know? Well, Pete, thanks for having me on again. And as you were aware, violence has now besieged the area known as CHOP, and it is no longer the summer of love. It's a summer of chaos. And early this morning, that violence was raw. in Rio, where one of our community members lost their life and police are still not allowed into that area.

11:25 And we're prevented to providing that police service to the area to locate victims and or rent. And this is a direct result of city leadership, elected officials failing the reasonable community of Seattle to enforce the rule of law. And this just isn't the area occupied in a six block zone where police are still forbidden and still don't have their East precinct. This is now impacting our entire city. And last night as well, the flagship precinct, the West Precinct downtown was defaced with anti -police graffiti.

12:03 And again, we're left wondering what's next. And now our elected officials have removed our ability to have less lethal chemical munitions that are effective enough for us to disperse unruly, violent crowds. to protect those police facilities, let alone ourselves. So we're in a very, very troubling time in Seattle, and it's deeply concerning that everybody across this country needs to be aware of what's going on in Seattle. Mike, you're spot on. I got to ask you about this, though. The Seattle Police Officers Guild is the police union for the Seattle Police Department.

12:40 Yet the group of unions in Seattle has now kicked you out of the union group. Why? Well, they wanted us to say that we are a racist institution. Of course, Mike, but if you want to be a part of the discourse, just go ahead and admit you're racist right now and then everything will be fine. Yeah, that's how they that's what they want. And you can't tell me that just is not hypocritical. Of course it is. It's discriminatory. It's racist and it's hypocritical. Mike Solon, thank you so much for your time.

13:06 We appreciate it. Thank you for highlighting this serious. Okay, so that was your current Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, when he was a weekend correspondent at Fox, along with Mike Sulin, who was of the police union in Portland at the time. uh... just as a little reminder that that the secretary of war doctor not only are right you're exactly right it's made so much difference especially in this particular this current conflict let's see i wanted i wanted to uh... uh... make sure that we uh...

13:42 talk about d s a in this context before we get to go to commercial break uh... the current d s a program openly describes a conflict between working people and the capitalist class calls capitalism a source of exploitation and oppression and seeks a future beyond capitalism through unions street action we all know what that means after that little walk down memory lane and elections yeah right the circle returns explicitly to class politics now organized for political power so uh... our main question and we're going to explore this when we come back If politics is fundamentally oppressor versus oppressed, what moral obligations remain toward the person designated as oppressor?

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Luigi Mangione: Murderer, Martyr or Folk Hero

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18:13 Talk about seeing a doctor together. Visit ALZ .org slash Time To Talk, a message from the Alzheimer's Association and the Ad Council. You're on sabbatical with Doc G and the Discussants at the intersection of policy, politics, and culture. Questions for a Discussant? DocGShowStudio at gmail .com. Well, we went a long, long way around the block to get to Luigi. And part of the reason why is this. folk hero status that he's sort of assumed. Mangione pleaded guilty federally to stalking Brian Thompson and shooting him outside a United Healthcare Investor Conference.

18:57 The New York murder case still remains separate, however, so there's still developments to come. Why does he matter here? What does he have to do with the CHOP? What's he have to do with BLM? What's he have to do with Occupy Wall Street? Well, investigators uncovered writings showing planning and hostility towards the health insurance industry, and Thompson was not really a personal enemy, but he functioned as a human representative of the system Mangione blamed, namely big business, capitalism, the healthcare system, those sorts of things, and felt entitled to shoot this person in the back of the head.

19:37 Again, a married person with children. So the bigger story then became, at least for me, and we'll have the discussants chime in, Mangione then became a folk hero. He actually was, you know, like a teen heartthrob to a lot of women, admiration, memes, and fundraising after this intentional killing. They've got him dead to rights. He's on videotape shooting a man in the back of the head. never should this happen in America. I'd have felt a little better about this, gosh, if he would have done it for some reason besides, you know, if he'd have robbed him or something.

20:24 I mean, this is just crazy to me that this has happened and that... he attained a sort of hero status with people. There are plenty of meat on the bone for this for discussants. Sarah, what do you think? I couldn't believe that even after he said he did it that there were still those people saying, the women saying, I don't believe this is an admission of guilt. You know, I'm like, he just said he did it. What are you thinking? I mean. Are they just that entranced with this guy? I mean, I don't know.

21:03 You would be much closer to that than I. I don't know. And they also like to say that because of his back pain and this and that, from my understanding, he was dealing with that pain pretty well. So I'm not really sure where that comes up. Plus, he's from a wealthy family. Oh, yeah, they have a lot of money for his defense. They had a crack team in there. I just don't understand where he got so caught up in that, you know. Professor? Yes, doctor. Care to opine here? Okay, well, I guess this was, what would you call this?

21:51 It was tragic, but it was symbolic, probably resulting in not much. now that it's all said and done. But I don't think necessarily it was intact. You'd mentioned earlier something like big business and capitalism. I'd rather focus more with more specificity on insurance. I'll speak of insurance as the maybe the ordinary dude out here in society. Please do speak as the ordinary dude. The dude. I'm the ordinary dude here in society. So back off man Okay, so Insurance my my my I would say right off the bat that if one is going to associate oneself with an organization this broadly speaking we call insurance or One is going to associate oneself with an organization.

22:48 We maybe speak out generally as mafia Now, in either case, you're associating yourself with an organization that might or might not, but could very likely put a target on your back. And in this case, it literally did. And then someone might say, oh, Professor, what are you talking about? How cynical and unrealistic you're equating insurance and mafia. What the hell is wrong with you, boy? Yeah, what is a hell? What the hell is wrong with you, boy? What's wrong with you? I think it's something like this.

23:16 It seems like... Going back to driving, in the state I'm in, it requires, well, at the very least, it requires, they call it financial responsibility. In most cases, it boils down to insurance. Of course, you can post a surety bond. Whatever the hell a surety bond is, who would know? But anyway, so insurance is required. So here we have a case to where the state government is forcing people that are going to be operating a motor vehicle. to purchase a commodity, i .e. insurance, from a private company.

23:56 So that in itself right there stinks. That right there makes you think, huh, at that point you see overweight men in suits gathered together, some from the insurance company, some from the legislature, and like they say in the old days, backroom with cigar smoke, that probably isn't happening today, it's probably in the lobby with Coke. Anyway, there they are. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good idea, yeah. Go ahead and force them to buy our product and we'll give you a little kickback here of X number.

24:23 This is the paranoia that the ordinary guy out here in the field might think. So then moving on to the so -called health insurance, it seems like same racket. When I pay an annual insurance premium, I sit with the agent and I say to the agent and last couple of times been a an attractive lady and we've laughed together and had a good time I think she even had some tattoos but anyway anyway I said I don't I don't know exactly why I'm in here I said it's uh it's nebulous I said I it seems like well good people and responsible people are gonna are gonna buy insurance for their whatever their house their car their blah blah blah blah so I said here I am paying this this annual premium for in this case, I think it was the house.

25:16 And I said, I fully believe that should I need the insurance for some reason, no matter if it's wind, fire, earthquake, vandalism, whatever might occur, I'm going to, when I go to ask the company to reimburse me for repairing some damage, they're going to say, well, sir, you missed paragraph seven here, line four, syllable three. and it says we will not pay in the event of anything. And then that reminds me of an article I read years and years and years ago that said that insurance companies have entire groups, maybe loosely call them committees, that are put together to figure legitimate ways to get out of paying claims.

25:59 So obviously the insurance company is there for the sole purpose of making money, of course, obviously, duh. They're not there. They don't give a damn about their clients except as an account. And so with all this in mind, since we're forced, the government forces us to buy private product, whether it's health insurance or auto insurance or whatever it might be, there's always that suspicion of collusion between the insurance company and the legislators and money moving under the table. That suspicion is always there.

26:30 That engenders kind of a... a cynicism and maybe even a desperation, a fatalism like, there's no way out of this, long as I'm alive here on the earth and we're not under communism. So you could tie that in to one of the other discussions, I suppose. But I think that's about it. So here we have a guy that thinks he's going to champion the cause of the masses and he does what Luigi did. I'm sorry he did that. I'm sorry for him that he did it because I understand where he's coming from, but it was so futile, and it messed with the rest of his life, too.

27:08 It didn't go good. It didn't solve anything. Nothing's going to change. So I guess that about sums up my outlook on it. Doc, what do you think? Well, what I do think is that's a little better eluticated than... than Joe Blow off the street. How did you introduce that? Your Joe Blow? I can't remember what it was. I think that that's probably a little more in -depth than Joe's going to go. Oh, a dude. A dude. Dude the dude. It's the big Lebowski in here tonight. Exactly. It's the dude. Yeah, I think that's probably a lot more coherent than anything the dude's ever going to come up with.

27:45 if he's not, you know, on his favorite smoke. Well, I think I'm trying to describe what I think. The dude may not even be aware, as you just intimated there, that of all the connecting all these dots and all these labyrinthine passageways that led to the final conclusion, I grant you that, but I think all this is taking place in the dude's mind, even though he's not necessarily... seeing it graphically or expanding on it specifically, it's there. I think that's what's causing the feeling. And I think it's the same feeling that was in Luigi.

28:16 I think he felt he was championing the cause of all these dudes. And he, in effect, I guess, was. But it's tragic. And I'm sorry for the guy that was in the position. He was in an insurance company. I hope that he realized, as I said earlier, that Okay, I'm gonna take a position a high -ranking position in this insurance company. I might as well be a mafia don I mean there'll be a lot of money coming in to me and my family and I can enjoy Enjoy the good life, but there is a target on my back in this position I hope that guy realized that I feel really bad for him and his family But he did take a position that put a target on his back, and it's just it's regrettable, but it's our science our society today I think I I can't really argue with any of that.

29:07 I see where people's frustrations might cause a lot of frustration. I won't go as far, and I know you're not either, as to this is the way to handle it. And I also am with you, we're talking about some collusion. It's not imaginary. There are teams of lobbyists that are putting forward particular arguments to make sure that people buy insurance. And one of those arguments are that if someone gets really ill, you don't want the government picking up the tab. So if we have people being required to buy health insurance, they are responsible for their particular financial situation.

29:56 Same thing with cars. You know, I've been an offender bender or two, and it seems like every time I am, I'm the only one that has insurance. But I always am glad that I have it, because if I didn't... Well, you probably were involved in a crash with an illegal immigrant, probably. Well, it might as well have been, because that was... I think they're exempt anyway. I mean, illegal immigrants aren't required to have auto insurance when they drive. I don't know who would require them to. I don't know why they would...

30:27 I don't know why they would respect that. They don't respect anything else, including the very first thing that they did, jump the fence. I think that's a great subject for some upcoming shows. We've got to... I think maybe they were hoisted in overnight in airliners by Biden. Some were for certain. So when we come back, the target need not be a corporation. It can be a political voice. or maybe even the President, you're listening to Doc G and the Discussants.

Is America’s Cold Civil War Getting Hot?

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35:11 Have a question for your favorite discussant? Well, please visit us on the World Wide Web at thediscusses .com. The Doctor is in. It's great to have you along. Great to have you back. Doc G for Sarah and the professor. What we're talking about today is has the cold civil war in the United States crossed the line? Is it now hot? Gosh, if I only present this evidence, I don't see any way to come to any other conclusion, but I think it's fair for us to say that there's just some... a few situations here.

35:54 I don't want to read too much into it, but I sort of notice this on one side. And where Mangione is concerned, basically I'm wondering, is he influenced by these larger political movements? I know for a fact that others seem to be. Let's take a look at this. In Trump's case, certainly this last shooter had a very clear and strong political ideology and worldview that generated immense animus toward Donald Trump, particularly when it came to Ukraine. But not only he also had been convinced, like pretty much everyone in the Democratic Party and in the liberal media has been attempting to persuade people to believe for the last eight years that Donald Trump poses an existential threat to democracy.

36:45 That's something he repeatedly said. And then a week after the presidential debate where there was a strong suggestion from ABC's David Moore that Donald Trump actually didn't even want Ukraine to win, couldn't even say that he wanted Ukraine to win. The primary political priority of the shooter, he goes to a golf course of Donald Trump's and tries to murder him and came pretty close. He was just a few hundred yards away. for Tyler Robinson. He is the man accused of killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk and proceedings will get underway at 3 o 'clock Eastern after an explosive round of testimony on Tuesday.

37:27 NewsNation national correspondent Nancy Liu is there in Provo, Utah for us. Nancy, some pretty interesting new evidence coming to light. What were the highlights from yesterday? Yeah, that's right Markey and one of the biggest developments testimony about Tyler Robinson's personal and political views. Those were views that were opposite of Charlie Kirk's on issues such as LGBTQ rights. This was not a spontaneous act of violence. It was deliberate. Calculated and premeditated. In the days leading up to the murder.

38:05 the defendant very carefully prepared for the attack. He tracked Mr. Thompson's whereabouts, conducted surveillance along the route he knew Mr. Thompson would take, and positioned himself to carry out the plan. As Luigi explained in court today, he endured years of severe, debilitating pain following a broken back while struggling to navigate our health care and health insurance systems. There you have some of the reasoning, if we can call it reasoning, behind some of these acts. So there you have three different situations.

38:47 The Charlie Kirk assassination by Tyler Robinson. The Ryan Ruth attempted assassination of the president, who was laying in wait outside one of his golf courses, actually had a gun stuck through the fence. Then we didn't really get into Thomas Crooks because, and that's interesting in itself. I don't think we know near enough about Thomas Crooks, the guy who actually did hit the president with a bullet at a political rally. So what are we getting at here? It seems like the politics of these things seems to embolden possibly, it's just a hypothesis, that The right way to deal with your political enemies at this point, and it seems like it's much more on one side than the other, get a gun or whatever you can arm yourself with and make a plan.

39:50 Very simplistic, I'm aware, but we have been living in this milieu of... Marxist politics now since at least 2010 and before, but not this overt, where we've started to label the other side oppressive, fascist, and if these people are oppressive, if they're fascist, well, is it any means possible? Isn't that justified? I'm wondering whether we've got a connection here, because again, It seems to be much more on one side than it is the other. So the question again is, is this cold civil war, is it getting hot?

40:35 I think there's no way to say anything other than it is in some respects.

40:44 Professor? Yes, doctor. Uh -huh. Are you willing to go that far with me or would you rather I just Reference a little diatribe here lgbtqia plus the lgb Those are all homosexual tease trends I'm not gonna proselytize. I mean, I know I'm dealing with atheists the Bible does say that homosexuality is an abomination that takes care of the lgb and That the trans says that the Lord made a mistake queues back to homosexuality, I, intersection, whatever the hell that means, and a plus, blah, blah, blah.

41:30 So anyway, that coordinated with, as I've said in previous shows, I think we have, I think people have been involved in unprotected, indiscriminate sexual relations, thereby resulting in a glut of people. I think it's like anything. You have too many cars, you have too many... televisions, you have too many whatever, then each individual item in that classification loses some value. Of course, in the classification of human beings, that person would likely realize that. As I said earlier, if not necessarily consciously, it would bear upon him subconsciously, then he might act out whatever he doesn't know exactly what he's feeling, but he knows he's feeling something.

42:09 So, it seems like, oh geez, democratic shitheads of America. It seems once again that, what's his name, that Shot Charlie was kind of, I thought he, seemed like he was once again championing the cause of what he thought was the majority of good, sensitive people, when really they were people that were, I guess I should back up the shade and see if there is a glut of people, then they're gonna be a high percentage that are gonna have room temperature IQs and an inability to. really perceive what's going on around them, and certainly they can't see the big picture.

42:48 So with all that in mind, these were the ones who would vote in the communists, by the way. And these are the ones that I think that probably a Charlie's killer thought he was championing the cause. He didn't realize what classification these people were in. But, oh, what else? He expressed that Charlie, as did some other DSAs, that Charlie was spouting hatred. I heard some of Charlie Kirk. I didn't hear nearly all of what Charlie Kirk had put out, but I've heard a few hours of what he put out. I never heard any hatred, but of course, these people who are in power, the political class, the DSA power mongers, if they could succeed in having their way in America, they'd live in their mansions, and the rest of us, as I said earlier, would let them eat cake.

43:37 So these people, they're influencing these... These poor souls that can't see the big picture, they're influencing, these people in charge are influencing these people to act the way they're acting, as you mentioned, regarding these ridiculous BLM, burn, loot, murder -type riots on Occupy Wall Street. It's just a glut of people who are, they seem to have a ceiling on their perception of reality and their view of the long range, and they're just stuck there, and then it's showing itself in violence.

44:10 Yeah, I think Marx had very specific terminology for them, the useful idiots. He intended to use them in the worldwide revolution for Marxism and communism, and I think they're being used rather well. I think that what we're seeing here is a lot of jealousy, a lot of envy, and a lot of no conception of what their place is in a free society, they're lucky as they can be that they were born in this country. They're lucky that they were born in the land of opportunity. They don't have any idea how lucky they are.

44:57 They would rather focus on what they don't have, what someone else has. and then be jealous and envious of both those things, and that is all the effort that socialist, Marxist, dirty, filthy communism requires from anyone. Sarah, what do you think? I agree. I mean... Yeah, I agree. Tom put it pretty well, I think, and so did you. Well, I think that... I don't want to paint everyone with this big, wide brush. As I was researching for the show, I really wanted to find some similar counter examples on the right.

45:45 I haven't seen much of that, at least recently, and I'm not seeing people with a manifesto that are out shooting people on the left. And I want to address something Tom just said about Charlie Kirk and his hate. I don't see anything hateful about what Charlie Kirk says. He happens to disagree with the other side and that is interpreted as hate to just simply to disagree. That spurs action from the group, yes. And so I completely agree. I never heard Charlie Kirk address a hateful word towards anyone.

46:29 He's happy to debate. He's also was very happy to say, I believe you're wrong. But he was actually fairly magnanimous in his approach to people and inviting them to share their opinions with him. The other side would rather shoot Mr. Kirk in the head. I think that's sort of obvious. At least some on that side would. And I think that's... Well, the other side's arguments don't hold water. They can say to Charlie, well, I don't have any way to refute or counter what you're saying, so therefore... I'm going to label this hate.

47:02 I'm just going to eliminate you. And it's all how I feel. You made me feel some type of way. And so now you are unacceptable because you don't agree with what I have to say or how I want to live. That's not the way a free society works. And that's not the way people converse in the United States of America. It used to be that way anyway. I'm a little afraid. of exactly what we're into now. We've got another segment

Boulder, Radicalization and Excusing Violence

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51:25 Karen Diamond, who I believe is a Holocaust survivor, later died from her injuries. The motive, according to the federal complaint, is Solomon said he wanted to kill all Zionist people, had planned the attack for a year, and would do it again. The political category itself identified the targets. Tonight, this new video appears to show the moment a man unleashed a fiery attack on a peaceful pro -Israel rally. The man hurling Molotov cocktails and using a makeshift flamethrower to set multiple people on fire, now facing hate crime and attempted murder charges.

52:06 Officials say at least 12 people were injured in the targeted act of violence on Sunday in Boulder. Witnesses say they heard the man shout, free Palestine.

52:20 Tonight officials releasing chilling new details on how they say 45 year old Egyptian national Mohammed Solomon plotted the attack. Mr. Solomon stated that he had been planning this attack for a year and he acted because he hated what he called the Zionist group. According to an affidavit, Solomon told investigators he posed as a gardener to get as close as possible to the group. He said that he had previously tried to purchase a firearm. but resorted to the Molotov cocktails when he could not purchase a gun because he was not a legal citizen.

52:56 Officials say he threw two Molotov cocktails, but it stashed 16 more. He said he wanted them all to die. He had no regrets and he would go back and do it again. They said he wore a backpack sprayer which he filled with gasoline, spraying gas on himself. He said because he had planned on dying. The Department of Homeland Security says he overstayed a tourist visa and had applied for asylum. President Trump posting, this is yet another example of why we must keep our borders secure. The 12 victims range in age from 52 to 88 years old, one a Holocaust survivor.

53:32 I want to personally thank President Biden for allowing this gentleman into the country so he could participate in these sorts of activities making America. Absolutely, he enriches our culture. Oh yeah, the tapestry of the country much improved by this gentleman and his presence here in the country. Sarah had a visceral reaction to this sound bite. I don't guess I had heard that sound bite before. And I just was like, my goodness, I don't know how they get so radicalized to be like this. I don't know how they can do it.

54:17 I just don't understand it. Well, I think that's part of the... the utility of this program is to kind of explain maybe where some of this is coming from. I mean these are political acts. These people are expressing political views as they do these things and for some reason they've decided this is the way to engage in the political process these days. I'm not saying this is the run -of -the -mill leftist. That's not what I'm saying. It's far from the truth. But it's happening. And these are particularly heinous crimes, the last one in particular.

54:55 This guy had 16 more Molotov cocktails and was happy to use all of them, planned to do this to set people on fire. Now, this is not the third world, or it wasn't, but it's starting to sort of seem that way. So I guess to tie it kind of up a little bit, The 1%, the system, capitalists, police, a corporate executive, a conservative speaker, Trump, Zionist. These are not equivalent categories, and the people using them are not just one movement. But the question is whether the same moral architecture, oppressor and oppressed, with the oppressor progressively stripped of legitimacy, can make violence easier to excuse.

55:43 Now, we know that is the case in the case of Luigi, where he's got a little fan club. He's got people sort of rooting for him. And that is not America. We don't shoot people in the back of the head and then have, you know, become a heartthrob over it. Well, apparently we do now. Yeah. Yeah. And I was thinking a little earlier, you sort of asked early on in the program, if we could arrange a death threat for you. I think we probably can get that done maybe easier than anybody wants to admit any longer.

56:22 There may be one there now at the website. I don't see anything that's popped in since we've been on the air but gosh I'll check right after the show's over with and I'll get it right over to you so we can put that on the wall. We can just frame those somewhere. So can a democracy, can it survive? with people believing their opponents are wrong. Well, yeah, we have for a long time. But it is a much greater danger when people conclude their opponents have forfeited the protection owed to fellow citizens.

56:55 It would seem that's where we're at. They actually seem to think that's going to benefit society. It's going to help them and everyone and their cause will be championed, as you said, a few are. But it seems like radicalization to me is another sub -classification under mental illness. And of course, I'm qualified to say that. But I think radicalization, something happens in one's mind that creates a tunnel vision. and excludes a lot of reality that needs to be considered. That's just push clear out.

57:34 So I'm going to label radicalization as a form of mental illness. I would agree with that. I agree. Something happens to these people and they become so targeted on whatever they're they're focusing on that. That's yeah, but I almost feel like it's a. a situation that happens to them that makes them become that way. So part of the thesis has been, is the milieu of different political movements, is the envy, is the jealousy, is the I'm right at all costs and if you don't agree with me you're a bad person, not only are you a bad person, you're a fascist.

58:27 You're a Nazi. We hear that quite a little bit. If that were in fact true, I think it would help people feel like maybe I should commit violence about this. And I'm using that term very conservatively. I'm just wondering, is the tie there strong enough? Is it strong enough for us to start paying very close attention to it? And, you know, as sort of a let's get out of here question, what's it going to be like in five years? Let's ask the professor. Well, look at these two guys, the one that shot the insurance dude and the one that killed Charlie Kirk.

59:15 I mean, do they have any regrets about what they've done to their lives? They're now living in cages most of the day and they very likely will be. for a long, long time. And when somebody commits an act like this, is that excluded in the tunnel vision I mentioned earlier regarding radicalization? Is the realization that if I do this, I will be shipped to a cage and kept there for maybe the rest of my life? Do they even consider that? That's a fantastic question and one for research for certain. I would hope so.

59:54 But I just would not have the first idea. It's not worth it to me to trade my life for a life in a cage over something like this. And it's hard to imagine. That's crazy. It does no good. It changes nothing. All it does is put you in a cage. I mean, hello? It's impossible for me to even imagine committing some sort of act like this, but it seems that people have no trouble doing that. Not people. These people have no trouble doing that. And that makes me worry for the future because I think this is instead of ever getting better, I think it's likely Just a preview of things to come, unfortunately, and I really don't want to be pessimistic about this, but oh my.

1:00:48 Just this recent violence and the Kirk assassination was extremely eye -opening. In fact, it came very close to making what's been a Cold War hot. There were a lot of very upset people about it, and I don't think it's going to be... I don't think it's going to go down so easy in the future. Well, thanks for hanging around with us. Make sure you go to the website, check us out, learn more, and leave us a note. Remember, we depend on you and your ideas for shows. We'll see you next time. That will do for today.

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